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		<title>Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Now that a year has passed since Rocket Companies completed its acquisition of Redfin and it’s been six months since Redfin had its own CEO, I thought it would be worth reflecting on what Redfin accomplished during its two-decade run as an independent company and how the Redfin of 2026 became exactly the kind of company that the Redfin of 2007 was created to fight against…</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/requiem-for-a-real-estate-dream-a-redfin-retrospective/">Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that a year has passed since <a href="https://ir.rocketcompanies.com/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Rocket-Companies-Completes-Acquisition-of-Redfin/default.aspx">Rocket Companies completed its acquisition of Redfin</a> and it&#8217;s been six months since Redfin had its own CEO, I thought it would be worth reflecting on what Redfin accomplished during its two-decade run as an independent company and how the Redfin of 2026 became exactly the kind of company that the Redfin of 2007 was created to fight against.</p>
<h2>A Fiery Beginning</h2>
<p>Although it was founded in 2004, it wasn&#8217;t until 2007 that Redfin really hit the national scene in a big way when <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chipping-away-at-realtors-six-percent-11-05-2007/">its CEO went on 60 Minutes</a> and called real estate &#8220;by far the most screwed up industry in America.&#8221; For most of their existence, <a href="https://www.redfin.com/news/an-update-to-redfins-values/">their stated core mission</a> was to &#8220;redefine real estate.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the beginning, Redfin&#8217;s strategy to pull off this mission was based on two core differentiators that made them different from traditional real estate brokerages:</p>
<ol>
<li>A big commission refund to homebuyers and low flat fees for sellers.</li>
<li>Salaried agents that earn bonuses based on customer satisfaction rather than commission.</li>
</ol>
<p>As explained in the 60 Minutes appearance, Redfin in 2007 charged a flat fee of just $3,000 to represent a home seller and refunded two thirds of the commission to home buyers. And Redfin&#8217;s crusade against commissions wasn&#8217;t just about saving customers money—the way they compensated their agents was revolutionary, as well. Here&#8217;s the CEO railing against paying agents on commission in <a href="https://www.redfin.com/news/a_years_numbers_come_in_from_the_mls_redfin_agents_negotiate_better/">a 2007 post on their site</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>But our problem with commissions is not simply that they’re too high; our problem is with the commission itself, because it pays the buyer’s agent more when his clients pay more. In other words, rather than being offset by better negotiations, the buyer agent’s commission actually causes worse negotiations.</p>
<p>This is why we decided to pay Redfin agents a salary with a customer satisfaction bonus, not a commission. Agents do what you pay them to do, we reasoned, and we believed our agents would be more likely to get the price our customers wanted.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was this passion and pro-consumer mission that drew me to work for Redfin, first from 2010 to 2013 then again from 2018 to 2022. Throughout my time at the company I worked with lots of smart, passionate people who were also committed to this mission, but in the end, it didn&#8217;t matter…</p>
<h2>The Fire Fizzles Out</h2>
<p>Unfortunately, over time the &#8220;most screwed up industry&#8221; ended up redefining Redfin a lot more than the other way around.</p>
<p>By the time Rocket acquired them in 2025 Redfin was charging home sellers <a href="https://www.redfin.com/disclaimer">a straight 2% commission</a> (1% if you also buy with them) and if there is any commission refund at all still going to buyers they certainly aren&#8217;t advertising it anywhere.</p>
<p>At some point along the line their customer-satisfaction-focused agent pay model was also completely tossed out the window. These days <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260211115157/https://careers.redfin.com/us/en/next">their agent recruiting page</a> touts &#8220;a big traditional split&#8221; of the commission for agents that come to work for Redfin. I guess they didn&#8217;t have such a big &#8220;problem with commissions,&#8221; any more. Honestly I&#8217;m not even sure why a homebuyer would choose to work with Redfin today, as there seems to be virtually nothing that differentiates them from every other real estate brokerage anymore.</p>
<p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself.png" alt="meme image: &quot;Congratulations, you disrupted yourself&quot;" width="785" height="403" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32138" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself.png 785w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-300x154.png 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-670x344.png 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-768x394.png 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-720x370.png 720w" sizes="(max-width: 785px) 100vw, 785px" /></p>
<p>Maybe it was an unwinnable fight from the beginning. Maybe the real estate industry is just too entrenched. Or maybe a total abandonment of pro-consumer principles was baked in from the start by the venture capital funds that backed the company. One way or another, it seems that <a href="https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys">enshittification</a> was inevitable, which is truly sad because there were always a lot of people at Redfin who really believed in making real estate better for consumers. We just never figured out how to get those consumers to be as passionate about the change as we were.</p>
<h2>Where&#8217;s the Beef?</h2>
<p>So what did Redfin accomplish by completely throwing out their founding ideals and going all-in on traditional real estate commissions? Not much, it turns out. Here&#8217;s how the company performed between 2005 and 2025:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Profit:</strong> Never turned an annual profit.</li>
<li><strong>Growth:</strong> Never broke above single-digit market share.</li>
<li><strong>Capital:</strong> Blew $743 million on two big acquisitions (<a href="https://www.geekwire.com/2021/redfin-agrees-acquire-rentpath-608-million-owner-rentals-com-rent-com-apartmentguide/">RentPath</a> &#038; <a href="https://www.geekwire.com/2022/redfin-will-buy-bay-equity-home-loans-for-135m-in-bid-to-boost-mortgage-business/">Bay Equity</a>) that never improved their bottom line.</li>
<li><strong>Labor:</strong> Cut over a quarter of their employees across six rounds of layoffs when the market softened.</li>
</ul>
<p>And in the end, the value of the company was barely changed during their entire time as an independent public company, selling out to Rocket eight years post-IPO <a href="https://ir.rocketcompanies.com/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Rocket-Companies-to-Acquire-Redfin-Accelerating-Purchase-Mortgage-Strategy/default.aspx">for $1.75B</a>—just 3% above <a href="https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/redfin-shares-surge-during-ipo-debut-nasdaq-2017-08-02">their $1.7B market cap at the close of trading on the day of the 2017 IPO</a>.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart.png" alt="Bar chart showing Redfin average quarterly market cap in billions of dollars. Starts at just below $2 billion in late 2017, surges to just under $8 billion in 2021, falls to just under $2 billion by late 2025." width="1390" height="847" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32140" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart.png 1390w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-300x183.png 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-670x408.png 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-768x468.png 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-720x439.png 720w" sizes="(max-width: 1390px) 100vw, 1390px" /></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that despite all of this, and the fact that my own job was eliminated in the second of those six layoffs, I do still own a few shares of what was Redfin and is now Rocket stock. I guess some part of me still can&#8217;t fully let the dream go.</p>
<h2>Nothing Left to Get Excited About</h2>
<p>In 2026 as part of Rocket Companies, Redfin <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91487790/rocket-redfin-super-bowl-ad">spent at least $8 million</a> (probably quite a bit more) to run <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvEFiLqsCDw">its first ever Super Bowl ad</a>, a fitting cap on its decades-long transition from feisty disrupter to milquetoast mainstream also-ran. But will a Super Bowl ad finally be the thing that breaks them through to the masses? Well, a week after the game I asked my parents if they had seen the ad. They said they hadn&#8217;t, so I began describing it to them, and then they realized they had seen it, but did not realize it was an ad for Redfin. This is despite the fact that they are more primed than the average consumer to notice Redfin, given that I worked there for over seven years.</p>
<p>In two decades, Redfin went from landing a glowing 60 Minutes segment for free with a memorable, fiery tirade about a screwed up industry to paying millions to push a generic, mushy message that doesn&#8217;t even register as their own. To me that doesn&#8217;t feel anything like success—it feels like a whole lot of missed opportunity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intentionally not naming any names here because again, I worked with a lot of smart, capable, and good people at Redfin. My coworkers were kind and welcoming, and the company fostered a lot of great talent. In fact I&#8217;m very glad to be working with many of them again at a different company today. The sad reality is that the eventual tragic trajectory of Redfin was likely baked in from the beginning—we were all just along for the ride.</p>
<p>The Redfin dream of redefining real estate was—and still is—exciting, but in retrospect the way things played out just leaves me with a very different feeling: disappointment.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-scaled.jpg" alt="AI-altered image of Redfin executives ringing the NASDAQ opening bell, broken TV screens, everyone is sad, somehow it is raining indoors." width="2560" height="1404" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32141" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-300x165.jpg 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-670x367.jpg 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-768x421.jpg 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-1536x842.jpg 1536w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-2048x1123.jpg 2048w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-720x395.jpg 720w" sizes="(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px" /></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/requiem-for-a-real-estate-dream-a-redfin-retrospective/">Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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		<title>Some Kinda Big News Guy or Something</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to my weird real estate fetish, I&#8217;ve been in newspapers, magazines, radio, [&#8230;]</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/some-kinda-big-news-guy-or-something/">Some Kinda Big News Guy or Something</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to <a href="http://seattlebubble.com/" title="Seattle Bubble">my weird real estate fetish</a>, I&#8217;ve been in newspapers, magazines, radio, and television more times than I can even remember.  Even so, I&#8217;ve never had a week quite like this one.</p>
<p><strong>Tuesday:</strong> Quoted in a <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-27/bidding-wars-erupt-as-u-s-supply-of-homes-for-sale-falls.html" title="Bidding Wars Erupt as U.S. Supply of Homes for Sale Falls">Bloomberg</a> / <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/28892?type=bloomberg" title="Bidding Wars Erupt in Market for U.S. Homes">BusinessWeek</a> story:</p>
<blockquote><p>Agents encountered multiple bids on about half of offers in Seattle, Boston, Washington, D.C. and Oregon this year through March 15, said Tim Ellis, real estate analyst for online brokerage <a href="http://www.redfin.com/">Redfin</a>. In the San Francisco area, Redfin agents reported that three of four offers involved competition, he said.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Tuesday:</strong> Appeared <em>live</em> on Q13 5:00 News:<br />
<iframe loading="lazy" width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Vr_mpm274SI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p><strong>Wednesday:</strong> Appeared on separate Bloomberg radio and separate KOMO radio news briefs (which unfortunately I was unable to record).</p>
<p><strong>Wednesday:</strong> Appeared in <a href="http://www.king5.com/home/1-in-3-homes-bought-with-all-cash-in-King-County-144631595.html" title="1 in 3 homes bought with all cash in King County">a KING 5 story</a>.<br />
<iframe loading="lazy" width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wdz5uNtrEqs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p><strong>Thursday:</strong> Appeared in <a href="http://www.komonews.com/news/consumer/144998385.html" title="Home sellers finding unique ways to attract buyers">a KOMO 4 story</a>.<br />
<iframe loading="lazy" width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qT5gs8CuqA0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p><strong>Friday:</strong> Appeared on the nationally-syndicated NPR program <a href="http://www.marketplace.org/topics/economy/its-sellers-market" title="It's a seller's market">Marketplace Money</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Throughout the Seattle area, the number of homes for sale is down more than 30 percent from a year ago. In some parts of San Francisco, Denver, Los Angeles, and San Diego, the shortage is even more pronounced.</p>
<p>Tim Ellis: Inventory is just dropping like a rock. I think that&#8217;s really the big story.</p>
<p>Tim Ellis is a real estate analyst with the property firm Redfin. He says housing inventory always picks up after the holidays. But in many markets in the U.S., inventory has dropped for the last two months. Why is this happening? Ellis calls it a hangover from the housing bubble.</p>
<p>Ellis: You know, the traditional, kind of, buy a home and then hold it for a while and then sell it, that cycle on average lasts about 7 years. Well, when you think about where were seven years ago, that was kind of right at the peak, is was right at the height of the boom, so the people who bought seven years ago might be today&#8217;s sellers in a normal market, they can&#8217;t afford to sell.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seven media appearances in one week, spanning print, radio, and television.  Doubt I&#8217;ll manage to beat that without committing a major crime or something.</p>
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