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		<title>Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Now that a year has passed since Rocket Companies completed its acquisition of Redfin and it’s been six months since Redfin had its own CEO, I thought it would be worth reflecting on what Redfin accomplished during its two-decade run as an independent company and how the Redfin of 2026 became exactly the kind of company that the Redfin of 2007 was created to fight against…</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/requiem-for-a-real-estate-dream-a-redfin-retrospective/">Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that a year has passed since <a href="https://ir.rocketcompanies.com/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Rocket-Companies-Completes-Acquisition-of-Redfin/default.aspx">Rocket Companies completed its acquisition of Redfin</a> and it&#8217;s been six months since Redfin had its own CEO, I thought it would be worth reflecting on what Redfin accomplished during its two-decade run as an independent company and how the Redfin of 2026 became exactly the kind of company that the Redfin of 2007 was created to fight against.</p>
<h2>A Fiery Beginning</h2>
<p>Although it was founded in 2004, it wasn&#8217;t until 2007 that Redfin really hit the national scene in a big way when <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chipping-away-at-realtors-six-percent-11-05-2007/">its CEO went on 60 Minutes</a> and called real estate &#8220;by far the most screwed up industry in America.&#8221; For most of their existence, <a href="https://www.redfin.com/news/an-update-to-redfins-values/">their stated core mission</a> was to &#8220;redefine real estate.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the beginning, Redfin&#8217;s strategy to pull off this mission was based on two core differentiators that made them different from traditional real estate brokerages:</p>
<ol>
<li>A big commission refund to homebuyers and low flat fees for sellers.</li>
<li>Salaried agents that earn bonuses based on customer satisfaction rather than commission.</li>
</ol>
<p>As explained in the 60 Minutes appearance, Redfin in 2007 charged a flat fee of just $3,000 to represent a home seller and refunded two thirds of the commission to home buyers. And Redfin&#8217;s crusade against commissions wasn&#8217;t just about saving customers money—the way they compensated their agents was revolutionary, as well. Here&#8217;s the CEO railing against paying agents on commission in <a href="https://www.redfin.com/news/a_years_numbers_come_in_from_the_mls_redfin_agents_negotiate_better/">a 2007 post on their site</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>But our problem with commissions is not simply that they’re too high; our problem is with the commission itself, because it pays the buyer’s agent more when his clients pay more. In other words, rather than being offset by better negotiations, the buyer agent’s commission actually causes worse negotiations.</p>
<p>This is why we decided to pay Redfin agents a salary with a customer satisfaction bonus, not a commission. Agents do what you pay them to do, we reasoned, and we believed our agents would be more likely to get the price our customers wanted.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was this passion and pro-consumer mission that drew me to work for Redfin, first from 2010 to 2013 then again from 2018 to 2022. Throughout my time at the company I worked with lots of smart, passionate people who were also committed to this mission, but in the end, it didn&#8217;t matter…</p>
<h2>The Fire Fizzles Out</h2>
<p>Unfortunately, over time the &#8220;most screwed up industry&#8221; ended up redefining Redfin a lot more than the other way around.</p>
<p>By the time Rocket acquired them in 2025 Redfin was charging home sellers <a href="https://www.redfin.com/disclaimer">a straight 2% commission</a> (1% if you also buy with them) and if there is any commission refund at all still going to buyers they certainly aren&#8217;t advertising it anywhere.</p>
<p>At some point along the line their customer-satisfaction-focused agent pay model was also completely tossed out the window. These days <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20260211115157/https://careers.redfin.com/us/en/next">their agent recruiting page</a> touts &#8220;a big traditional split&#8221; of the commission for agents that come to work for Redfin. I guess they didn&#8217;t have such a big &#8220;problem with commissions,&#8221; any more. Honestly I&#8217;m not even sure why a homebuyer would choose to work with Redfin today, as there seems to be virtually nothing that differentiates them from every other real estate brokerage anymore.</p>
<p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself.png" alt="meme image: &quot;Congratulations, you disrupted yourself&quot;" width="785" height="403" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32138" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself.png 785w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-300x154.png 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-670x344.png 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-768x394.png 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Redfin_Disrupted-yourself-720x370.png 720w" sizes="(max-width: 785px) 100vw, 785px" /></p>
<p>Maybe it was an unwinnable fight from the beginning. Maybe the real estate industry is just too entrenched. Or maybe a total abandonment of pro-consumer principles was baked in from the start by the venture capital funds that backed the company. One way or another, it seems that <a href="https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys">enshittification</a> was inevitable, which is truly sad because there were always a lot of people at Redfin who really believed in making real estate better for consumers. We just never figured out how to get those consumers to be as passionate about the change as we were.</p>
<h2>Where&#8217;s the Beef?</h2>
<p>So what did Redfin accomplish by completely throwing out their founding ideals and going all-in on traditional real estate commissions? Not much, it turns out. Here&#8217;s how the company performed between 2005 and 2025:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Profit:</strong> Never turned an annual profit.</li>
<li><strong>Growth:</strong> Never broke above single-digit market share.</li>
<li><strong>Capital:</strong> Blew $743 million on two big acquisitions (<a href="https://www.geekwire.com/2021/redfin-agrees-acquire-rentpath-608-million-owner-rentals-com-rent-com-apartmentguide/">RentPath</a> &#038; <a href="https://www.geekwire.com/2022/redfin-will-buy-bay-equity-home-loans-for-135m-in-bid-to-boost-mortgage-business/">Bay Equity</a>) that never improved their bottom line.</li>
<li><strong>Labor:</strong> Cut over a quarter of their employees across six rounds of layoffs when the market softened.</li>
</ul>
<p>And in the end, the value of the company was barely changed during their entire time as an independent public company, selling out to Rocket eight years post-IPO <a href="https://ir.rocketcompanies.com/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2025/Rocket-Companies-to-Acquire-Redfin-Accelerating-Purchase-Mortgage-Strategy/default.aspx">for $1.75B</a>—just 3% above <a href="https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/redfin-shares-surge-during-ipo-debut-nasdaq-2017-08-02">their $1.7B market cap at the close of trading on the day of the 2017 IPO</a>.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart.png" alt="Bar chart showing Redfin average quarterly market cap in billions of dollars. Starts at just below $2 billion in late 2017, surges to just under $8 billion in 2021, falls to just under $2 billion by late 2025." width="1390" height="847" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32140" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart.png 1390w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-300x183.png 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-670x408.png 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-768x468.png 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Market-Cap-Chart-720x439.png 720w" sizes="(max-width: 1390px) 100vw, 1390px" /></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that despite all of this, and the fact that my own job was eliminated in the second of those six layoffs, I do still own a few shares of what was Redfin and is now Rocket stock. I guess some part of me still can&#8217;t fully let the dream go.</p>
<h2>Nothing Left to Get Excited About</h2>
<p>In 2026 as part of Rocket Companies, Redfin <a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/91487790/rocket-redfin-super-bowl-ad">spent at least $8 million</a> (probably quite a bit more) to run <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvEFiLqsCDw">its first ever Super Bowl ad</a>, a fitting cap on its decades-long transition from feisty disrupter to milquetoast mainstream also-ran. But will a Super Bowl ad finally be the thing that breaks them through to the masses? Well, a week after the game I asked my parents if they had seen the ad. They said they hadn&#8217;t, so I began describing it to them, and then they realized they had seen it, but did not realize it was an ad for Redfin. This is despite the fact that they are more primed than the average consumer to notice Redfin, given that I worked there for over seven years.</p>
<p>In two decades, Redfin went from landing a glowing 60 Minutes segment for free with a memorable, fiery tirade about a screwed up industry to paying millions to push a generic, mushy message that doesn&#8217;t even register as their own. To me that doesn&#8217;t feel anything like success—it feels like a whole lot of missed opportunity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intentionally not naming any names here because again, I worked with a lot of smart, capable, and good people at Redfin. My coworkers were kind and welcoming, and the company fostered a lot of great talent. In fact I&#8217;m very glad to be working with many of them again at a different company today. The sad reality is that the eventual tragic trajectory of Redfin was likely baked in from the beginning—we were all just along for the ride.</p>
<p>The Redfin dream of redefining real estate was—and still is—exciting, but in retrospect the way things played out just leaves me with a very different feeling: disappointment.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" src="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-scaled.jpg" alt="AI-altered image of Redfin executives ringing the NASDAQ opening bell, broken TV screens, everyone is sad, somehow it is raining indoors." width="2560" height="1404" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-32141" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-scaled.jpg 2560w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-300x165.jpg 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-670x367.jpg 670w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-768x421.jpg 768w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-1536x842.jpg 1536w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-2048x1123.jpg 2048w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Redfin_Sad-IPO-720x395.jpg 720w" sizes="(max-width: 2560px) 100vw, 2560px" /></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/requiem-for-a-real-estate-dream-a-redfin-retrospective/">Requiem for a real estate dream: a Redfin retrospective</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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		<title>Sharknado: Has the &#8220;Shark Genre&#8221; Reached its Logical Conclusion? NOPE.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 01:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Today on a group chat at work, the topic of &#8220;Sharknado&#8221; came up. [&#8230;]</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://ellis.fyi/blog/sharknado-has-the-shark-genre-reached-its-logical-conclusion-hint-nope/">Sharknado: Has the &#8220;Shark Genre&#8221; Reached its Logical Conclusion? NOPE.</a> appeared first on <a href="https://ellis.fyi">Ellis.FYI</a>.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on a group chat at <a href="http://www.redfin.com/" title="Redfin">work</a>, the topic of &#8220;Sharknado&#8221; came up.  Because of course it did.  In said chat, someone linked to an article in which the writer of &#8220;Sharknado&#8221; claims that &#8220;the shark genre has reached its natural and logical conclusion.&#8221;  I believe that we proved his thesis wrong.</p>
<p>For reference, here is the &#8220;Sharknado&#8221; trailer:</p>
<p><iframe loading="lazy" width="770" height="433" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iwsqFR5bh6Q?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
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<p><div style="float:right; margin:0 0 0 10px;"><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/07/12/201438989/sharknado-dares-to-ask-is-it-going-to-rain-giant-man-eating-sharks"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="http://timandjeni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-NPR-300x225.jpg" alt="Sharknado" width="300" height="225" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2177" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-NPR-300x225.jpg 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-NPR.jpg 450w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></div>
<p><strong>RT:</strong> <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/07/12/201438989/sharknado-dares-to-ask-is-it-going-to-rain-giant-man-eating-sharks">NPR: &#8216;Sharknado&#8217; Dares To Ask: Is It Going To Rain Giant Man-Eating Sharks?</a></p>
<p><strong>YO:</strong> I feel like I should revive <a href="http://amzn.com/B005FYEAJ8?tag=prioutfor-20">our shark air-swimmer</a>.</p>
<p><strong>NG:</strong> Sharknado was all the rage lat night on Twitter.  9/10 tweets were about it</p>
<p><strong>FN:</strong> OMG. Seriously, EVERYONE I follow on Twitter was going nuts about Sharknado.</p>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> Fin&#8217;s name should have been Foo. Then Foo could have owned a bar, and been friends with Baz.</p>
<p><strong>FN:</strong> The company that makes these movies is called <a href="http://www.imdb.com/company/co0042909/">The Asylum</a>. They were also responsible for the &#8220;Megashark vs.&#8221; series and other recent super low budget classics.  There was one with a mega piranha. <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/dvdextras/2010/05/paranormal_activity_vs_paranormal_entity.html">Here&#8217;s a 2010 article about The Asylum</a>.</p>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> The low-budget big action knock-off is such a funny niche. I&#8217;ve been watching a lot of <a href="http://www.rifftrax.com/">Rifftrax</a> recently of mid-80s straight-to-video knockoffs. There&#8217;s always the one or two big-name actors who are slumming or fallen on hard times, the incomprehensible plot, and the strangely professional cinematography and sometimes stunts.</p>
<p><div style="float:left; margin:0 10px 0 0;"><a href="http://io9.com/we-asked-the-writer-of-sharknado-some-very-serious-ques-736131336"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="http://timandjeni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-io9-300x168.png" alt="Sharknado" width="300" height="168" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2178" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-io9-300x168.png 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-io9-640x360.png 640w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-io9-624x351.png 624w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Sharknado-io9.png 970w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></div>
<p><strong>FN:</strong> Last sharknado bit from me for today (I have so much work I&#8217;m avoiding!): <a href="http://io9.com/we-asked-the-writer-of-sharknado-some-very-serious-ques-736131336">io9 did an excellent interview with the writer</a>.</p>
<p><strong>GR:</strong> Ha ha, awesome: &#8220;Honestly, I don’t understand why people are so perplexed by this concept. The logic is undeniable.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>TO:</strong> That interview is hilarious.</p>
<p><strong>TO:</strong> &#8220;Has the shark disaster movie run its course, or are we just ramping up?  It&#8217;s called Sharknado. I think the shark genre has reached its natural and logical conclusion.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>NO:</strong> In other words, have shark movies&#8230; jumped the shark?</p>
<p><div style="float:right; margin:0 0 0 10px; width:375px;"><iframe loading="lazy" width="375" height="211" style="margin:0;" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/4jm6B31HKBw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></div>
<p><strong>YO:</strong> What about sharks in space?</p>
<p><strong>YO:</strong> &#8220;Freddy vs. Shark&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> &#8220;Sharks on a Plane&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>XW:</strong> Zombie laser sharks in space.  On fire.</p>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> Tsusharkmi</p>
<p><strong>GR:</strong> What if the Yellowstone Caldera were full of&#8230; SHARKS?!? &#8220;Megasharkano,&#8221; in theaters 2014.</p>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> <em>(clap)</em></p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> &#8220;Shark Impact&#8221; &#8211; Asteroid containing space-sharks on course to destroy Earth.  &#8230;or would that be &#8220;Shark-ageddon&#8221;?</p>
<p><div style="float:left; margin:0 10px 0 0;"><a href="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/megalodon4g.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="http://timandjeni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Megalodon-228x300.jpg" alt="Megalodon" width="228" height="300" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2180" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Megalodon-228x300.jpg 228w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Megalodon.jpg 266w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 228px) 100vw, 228px" /></a></div>
<p><strong>OS:</strong> <a href="http://www.badassoftheweek.com/megalodon4g.jpg">Megalogeddadon</a></p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> Ooh, nice.</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> I guess for the logic to be undeniable, it would have to be a comet containing frozen space sharks</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> +1 if the sharks are sentient/intelligent.  Then you could pull in the &#8220;Independence Day&#8221; trope.</p>
<p><strong>ET:</strong> RE: intelligent sharks &#8212; Deep Blue Sea</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> @ET good point; the movie should also feature the star power of LL Cool J.</p>
<p><strong>TO:</strong> Microscopic sharks (ala Fantastic Voyage; 1966) attacking the body from within!</p>
<p><strong>GR:</strong> Megashark vs. Microsharks!</p>
<p><strong>TO:</strong> Megashark thinks it killed microshark by eating it, microshark kills megashark from within, microshark dies due to a lifeless host.  A shakespearean shark tragedy!</p>
<p><strong>GR:</strong> You know what guys let&#8217;s just forget this real estate thing and pivot Redfin into a shark disaster movie company.</p>
<p><strong>YO:</strong> We can keep the company name.</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> Can we work zombie sharks into this?</p>
<p><strong>QS:</strong> @GR How do you know that this ISN&#8217;T a shark disaster movie?</p>
<p><strong>QS:</strong> Oh, hang on, guys. I&#8217;ll be right back…</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> Somebody&#8217;s at the door!</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> (Landshark!)</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> Man, the internets are sadly devoid of any SNL Landshark skits.  Wow; first aired in 1975.  Now I feel *really* old.</p>
<p><strong>NO:</strong> You know what  Twilight needed?  Hunky teenage sharks.</p>
<p><div style="float:right; margin:0 0 0 10px;"><a href="https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5858201856/h6A30768F/"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="http://timandjeni.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Vampire-Sharks-chzbgr-300x296.jpg" alt="Vampire Sharks" width="300" height="296" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2179" srcset="https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Vampire-Sharks-chzbgr-300x296.jpg 300w, https://ellis.fyi/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Vampire-Sharks-chzbgr.jpg 492w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a></div>
<p><strong>QS:</strong> <a href="https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5858201856/h6A30768F/">[Vampire Sharks]</a></p>
<p><strong>NO:</strong> Would vampire sharks work together with vampire ents?</p>
<p><strong>QS:</strong> I found <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDsUi2sJt6g">this trailer</a> when googling Vampire Sharks. It has, ah, homegrown charm.</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> How about weresharks?</p>
<p><strong>RF:</strong> That would be an unfortunate affliction to have you if you were landlocked during a full moon.</p>
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<p><em>FYI: I anonymized the chat participants and cleaned things up a bit for readability.</em></p>
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